"This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility"

Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was chased by plain clothes police into the Stockwell Tube in London on Friday. He was Brazilian. An electrician. Earlier reports said Jean Charles, yet unidentified, was Asian. Instead, he was Brazilian. He was wearing a coat that the police said was suspicious, considering the weather. Could have been harboring a bomb. A coat they said looked like it was padded. What exactly happened is sketchy because we still have only earlier reports, when Jean Charles was still a suspect, when Jean Charles was apparently a suspect because he emerged from a house that was under surveillance, when the impression would be given that he was guilty of being potentially a suicide bomber. We do know that, chased by the police, Jean Charles de Menezes was terrified. He ran to a train. Witnesses saw his face, saw his last look at the world, on the train. They said he was terrified. That he looked like a cornered rabbit. He tripped as he got onto the train, grabbing a pole, and the police were right behind him, pushing him down to the floor. Rather than taking advantage of Jean Charles de Menezes’ tripping throwing him off balance, which may have been an opportune moment for the police to grab his hands and cuff them, which would mean Jean Charles de Menezes would be alive today and able to tell his story of what happened, the police, piling on top of him, promptly fired. His gun drawn, one of the officers pointed his automatic at Jean Charles de Menezes’ head and

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first bullet into Jean Charles de Menezes’ head

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second bullet into Jean Charles de Menezes’ head

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third bullet into Jean Charles de Menezes’ head

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fourth bullet into Jean Charles de Menezes’ head

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A moment of silence here.

An air ambulance arrived. I read witnesses say everything was done to revive Jean Charles de Menezes at the scene, but he was dead.

5 bullets to the head will do that. One can imagine what 5 bullets to the head will do.

Jean Charles de Menezes is dead. The BBC reported today that he was not connected to the bombings. Scotland Yard said,

We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005.

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What a relief for Jean Charles de Menezes to be cleared of suspicion.

Now that he is dead.

Scotland Yard said,

For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets.

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Yes, it is a tragedy, isn’t it. I’m glad the Metro Police Service regrets it. The regrets, however, are too late for Jean Charles de Menezes.

The police acted to do what they believed necessary to protect the lives of the public.

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Shoot first, don’t ask questions later, not when you’ve blown an innocent man’s brains away. I don’t call him the suspect here because to call him a suspect would give the impression that Jean Charles de Menezes was possibly not innocent. In his heavy coat. Running from the police.

Who would run from the police if they were innocent, right?

No one ever runs from the police if they are innocent.

Police in civilian clothing.

If you run from the police you are guilty.

“The Fugitive”, David Janssen, ran from the police for 4 years in 120 episodes on ABC television. He wasn’t guilty and everyone cheered him on, making it a top-rated show.

This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility.

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And that, my friends, is the capper. The police bear no responsibility. The terrorists shall from now on bear the responsibility for regretable actions, on the part of the authorities, against innocent people.

I read at BBC the remarks of people on the shooting. A quote highlighted is, “The police cannot afford to take chances.”

Many people are saying this. The man was suspicious. He wore the wrong kind of jacket. An innocent man died and that is somehow justifiable in the minds of these individuals because he could have, just possibly been a bomber who would kill themselves or loved ones.

I doubt they would be saying it was a justifiable slaying had Jean Charles been one of those loved ones. They would have then said, “The police are supposed to be protecting us, not killing innocent people.”

I doubt many members of the Muslim community are saying, “The police cannot afford to take chances.”

The NY TImes reports that author Tom Bower wrote in Saturday’s “The Daily Mail”,

Many civil liberties will have to be infringed to impose the requirement on all communities, including Britain’s Muslims, to destroy the terrorists before they destroy us.

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This may mean the loss of your very life. For Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, it did mean the loss of his life.

Magdi al-Nashar, an Egyptian chemist, who knew the bomber Hasib Hussain and helped to arrange the rental of a a flat in which traces of explosives were found, was arrested in Cairo.

The Egyptian interior minister has since reported there was no link between Magdi al-Nashar and al-Quaeda or the bombings and that reports linking him to al-Qaeda were groundless and based on a hasty conclusion.

A 16 year old boy who shares the same name as Hasib Hussain, had his passport photo published around the world for all to see, identifying him as the bomber.

He was terrified. He first saw his photograph on the news. He said, “I didn’t want people looking at me saying, hey, you are supposed to be dead, or someone saying that there goes the London bomber.”

We know an individual who changed his surname as a young man because the police kept showing up and arresting him for things another man was doing, another man who shared his name. That other man was apparently bad news, but he was not our friend who was several times arrested for things the other man did.

Jean Charles emerged from the wrong house. He was wearing the wrong kind of clothing. When chased by officers in “scruffy” civilian clothing, he ran.

Jean Charles was an innocent individual.

We are supposed to mourn him as a victim of the terrorists, and not at all a victim of British authorities.

Because Jean Charles is dead, shot in the head five times after tripping and being pushed to the floor, shot five times in the head when he was down on the floor, no questions asked, we’ll never hear his opinion on the matter, whether he holds British authorities responsible or not. We are here. He is not. No more getting up in the morning for Jean Charles. No more eating, no more drinking. No more talking. No more breathing.

“The police can not afford to take chances,” people are saying.

Not afford to take chances that they are shooting to kill a suicide bomber or an innocent individual?

Will flowers be placed at the Stockwell Tube station in London for Jean Charles de Menezes?


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15 responses to “"This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility"”

  1. Nur al-Cubicle Avatar

    Very moving and well-written post.

    But oh the science of criminal forensics is so advanced! Boy those hi-tech cameras will record the wrong-doers and we’ll nab them. Ah but our police have university degrees in Criminal Justice! But what the British authorities really need is old-fashioned hum-int! Right now they have none and they are doing all the wrong things.

    And get this from Ian Blair: Met Police chief Sir Ian Blair has apologised to the family of the Brazilian man shot dead by police in south London on Friday but admitted more people could be shot as police hunt suspected suicide bombers. So this is how the British suspend their habeas corpus?

  2. Idyllopus Avatar

    Yeah, I read what Ian Blair said. And I was thinking wasn’t it odd that so far suspects have been taken into custody and the only person hunted down and shot dead was a man who had nothing to do with it all.

  3. Edmate Avatar
    Edmate

    Accept all of your comments above guys. But lets bring a bit of balance to this. I am gutted that an innocent man has been killed under these circumstances, and dread to think what I would do if one of my family or friends were an innocent victim. However, as a Londoner, and currently sitting about 20 feet from the entrance to a tube station, I feel, as many Londoners do, that we are in the middle of a war zone. On one side I have strangers whose sole role in life is to take mine. On the other side strangers who are trained to protect it.
    People are people at the end of the day and they make mistakes. That doesnt make anything right and it certainly doesnt make it perfect, but thats the world we are living in here in the UK at the moment. The battlefield is the streets of London. I hope nobody else dies – but fear that someone will.

  4. Kat Avatar

    I think this site says it all:

    http://jeancharlesdemenezes.biz.ly/

    It was a mistake. The police acted to protect, not to kill. Get over it. They were forced to choose to risk the life of one innocent – or dozens. Anyone with half a brain would chose the former.

  5. Idyllopus Avatar

    Kat, the website that you reference and give as your home url poses an attitude with which I don’t believe I could reasonably argue considering its grotesque disdain for human life and remarkable ignorance of the importance of civil liberties. Healthy society is not only concern for the majority, it is respect and empathy for every individual, and I intuit no such empathy or respect in the cynicism displayed on that page. When the rights of the individual are discarded then all are at great risk, and if one believes that doesn’t apply to their own security then they have perhaps an exceptional confidence in their skin color and circumstance unfailingly positioning them on the right side of the fence, which is that of mob rule. Because that’s what one gets when assumptions are all that are needed to condone extreme actions. When all that is needed are erroneous assumptions to merit and excuse the taking of life then the fabric of that society is damaged in the extreme. There are individuals who will find such a society acceptable. I don’t.

    Jean-Charles, a downed individual, was shot five times. His innocence was so transparent that it took not months or even weeks of inquiry to clear him, but a few hours, and possibly less than that. And that should be frightening and an alarming concern for everyone.

  6. Maria Avatar
    Maria

    What do you think the alternative was, then?

    How could you chose risking the lives of maybe hundreds of men and women over just one man? He should have obeyed the police, given them time to do any correct legal proceedings necessary. Instead, he only confirmed their suspicions by running full pelt towards a packed train.

    Would you find it acceptable to let such a man go by, only for him to detonate a bomb? THAT is a truly frightening thought.

  7. from Paris, Pariser Avatar
    from Paris, Pariser

    Maria, police can tell all lies they can because they are THE POLICE and people must believe in it…the decision to “shoot and kill” was already taken, so there was no need to cry “STOP!POLICE” like we see in the yankee cop films…no, they should catch him IN SILENCE, not shouting, to trip him and PIN HIM to the pavement and SHOOT!!! no need to summum anyone when this decision is already taken, the cops wanted to catch him by surprise by behind, not giving him the opportunity to push the button of the supposed bomb he was carrying…maybe he was frightned running because late to the work and afraid to lose that train and so IN THE TRAIN he was caught by plain-clothes cops that pushed him to the floor and KILLED HIM because the decision to shoot and kill was already taken just before entering the tube station…maybe he saw those white big gorillas running after him and fell in panic, remember that Stockwell is located in Brixton, the most ill-famed neighbourhood in London for gang assaults, rapes and drug affairs…he just runned afraid for his life,to be safe aboard the carriage, like you and me could do it in the same circumstances…remember all over the world, plain-clothes cops with pistols and machine-guns in hands look like the most ordinary criminal and mugglers in every city…awful!!!

  8. from Paris, Pariser Avatar
    from Paris, Pariser

    QUOTED AS SAID BY KAT
    “I think this site says it all:

    http://jeancharlesdemenezes.biz.ly/

    It was a mistake. The police acted to protect, not to kill. Get over it. They were forced to choose to risk the life of one innocent – or dozens. Anyone with half a brain would chose the former”

    ……………. I would NOT LOVE to know that when this happen again (and possibly it will happen again as said by your cynical MET chief), I HOPE it will be NOT TO YOU or some beloved one of yours, KAT!!!!

  9. from Paris, Pariser Avatar
    from Paris, Pariser

    …Nobody would cry for you, KAT! How cynical can you be you too??? Stop bombing and terrorizing innocent irakians with british bombs everyday in their marriage feasts and those terrorists will no more terrorize Brits…terror generates terror, “simple de simple”!

  10. Lynn Avatar
    Lynn

    The police were wrong to shoot after they already had him in custody but… He ran. If you run from the police there is a good chance they will shoot you. Everybody ought to know that. There’s enough blame for both sides.

  11. Pariser from Paris Avatar
    Pariser from Paris

    Nobody will know the truth, the real truth, not that one told by the police, those who killed the man…because HE IS DEAD NOW! How can you believe in all police can say in the world??? Police lies everywhere in the world and the british police is not an exception…Do you know that the passport of the chief terrorist on the september 11 was found just in the debris of the twin towers?? This doesn’t amaze you ??? amidst chaos and ashes??? Do you know that that picture showing the “four terrorists getting into the train station in Leeds” is hand-made with some Photoshop skills but not well finished??? Pay attention and you will see that the third man has half of his body behind the bars close to the station wall and another bar is in front of his body??? How can people be so blind and believe all the shit governments statements can give us to swallow???

  12. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    The Sunday Times – Britain

    July 31, 2005

    Shoot-to-kill without warning
    jon Ungoed-Thomas and David Leppard
    Senior police sources have confirmed that the officers involved in the operation that led to the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes, the innocent Brazilian would not have needed to shout a warning before firing.

    The killing of de Menezes was a terrible error that has devastated his family and threatens to sap police morale at a critical time in the war on terror. It now threatens to become a cause celebre among human rights activists.

    Relatives mourning at de Menezes’s funeral on Friday complained that he had been “exterminated” without any chance to surrender. One sign at his funeral in his home town of Gonzaga read “Jean, martyr of British terrorism”.

    Gareth Peirce, one of Britain’s most prominent defence lawyers, is representing the family of de Menezes against the police. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is studying CCTV footage that caught de Menezes’s last moments. What is already clear is that the initial accounts of his death on July 22 were wrong.

    When the shooting at Stockwell Underground station was first confirmed, a senior police source told reporters, off the record, that they had killed one of the would-be suicide bombers who was on the run after the failed July 21 bombings. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said that the shooting was “directly linked” to the terrorist operation.

    The man, according to the police, was suspect because of his “clothing and behaviour”. He had been followed from a house that had been under surveillance. When he was challenged at Stockwell, he ignored instructions and ran. He had vaulted over the ticket barrier and was wearing a dark bulky jacket that could disguise a bomb.

    One witness had de Menezes as an Asian with a beard and wires coming out of his torso. The truth is more mundane. De Menezes, an electrician, was travelling to north London to fix a fire alarm.

    He was not wearing what witnesses called a “black bomber jacket”, but a denim jacket. It was about 17C and his clothing would not have been out of the ordinary.

    He did not vault a ticket barrier, as claimed. He used a travelcard to pass through the station in the normal way. His family believes that he may have started to run simply because he heard the train pulling in — something Londoners do every day. Indeed, a train was at the platform when he got there.

    Police clearly believed that de Menezes might have been a suicide bomber, even though he was not carrying a rucksack. This raises a key question: why was de Menezes allowed to board a bus in Tulse Hill and travel to Stockwell, if officers thought that his body might be rigged with explosives? It also raises questions about the new shoot-to-kill protocol. The protocol — which is specific to individual targets — can be put into force only when police have reason to believe that a suspect may be carrying a bomb. The order can be issued only by a “gold commander” at Scotland Yard.

    The order, once given, clears officers to shoot the suspect in the head if they believe that he is about to activate the bomb. The idea is to give the individual no time to react. Police do not have to shout a warning before they act: to do so would negate the effect of the head shot.

    Some witnesses say that de Menezes was given no chance to give himself up. They say that once on the train he was pinned to the ground and shot.

    Lee Ruston, 32, was at the bottom of the escalator that de Menezes ran down. He believes that he heard every word said by officers.

    According to him, officers did not say the word “police” or offer de Menezes the prospect of arrest. “I heard a voice shouting ‘get on the floor, just get on the floor’. Another voice said the same, ‘get on the floor’. I then heard the crack of gunshots,” he said.

    Whether de Menezes was given a warning — as police claimed — will be critical to the inquiry, as will the assessment of the gold commander who decided that de Menezes was a threat and implemented the shoot-to-kill protocol.

  13. anonymous Avatar
    anonymous

    August 2005 01:20

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    Police may face public inquiry over shooting of Brazilian
    By Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent
    Published: 20 August 2005

    Details from the post-mortem examination of the innocent Brazilian shot dead by police suggest Scotland Yard officers lied about the circumstances of the death.

    Notes presented to the pathologist examining Jean Charles de Menezes, five days after he died, wrongly indicated the electrician was fleeing police shortly before he was shot.

    The apparently misleading account could be highly damaging for Scotland Yard if, as claimed, it is proven to have been written by the Metropolitan Police. It would provide evidence the police continued to portray Mr de Menezes in a negative light and provided false information days after his innocence had been established.

    The material, contained in leaked documents from the Independent Police Complaints Commission, could provide ammunition for the family and lawyers of the dead man who have accused the Met of an attempted cover-up over the botched operation.

    The new material, obtained by ITV News, is contained in the post-mortem details of Mr de Menezes dated on 27 July. The note states the suspected bomber was followed by police into Stockwell Tube station in south London and “he vaulted over the ticket barrier, ran down the stairs on the Tube station”.

    This account has been directly contradicted by witness statements from police surveillance officers and CCTV footage that suggests the 27-year-old picked up a newspaper at Stockwell Tube station before calmly walking down the escalator.

    It was also disclosed that the dead man only had a piece of paper, a watch, a key, and £1.20 in change when he was shot dead.

    Meanwhile the head of the authority that oversees the Metropolitan Police said that a public inquiry into Scotland Yard’s “shoot-to-kill” policy looks increasingly likely.

    Len Duvall, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, also said Scotland Yard was carrying out its own investigation into the policy in the aftermath of the shooting.

    His comments come as Mr de Menezes’s cousin, Alessandro Pereira, called for the resignation of Sir Ian Blair, the Met’s Commissioner, and the prosecution of those responsible.

    Brazilian investigators are to fly to London next week for talks with the IPCC to clarify conflicting reports of how he died.

    There has been growing unrest about the “shoot-to -kill” strategy contained in the Met’s Kratos policy – whereby suspected suicide attackers are shot in the head to prevent them from detonating any explosives.

    Mr Duvall, whose authority oversees the running and budget of the Met, said yesterday that there was a growing consensus among “opinion formers and politicians” that some form of public inquiry should be held into the shoot-to-kill policy. “The Met are also beginning to say, maybe it’s time to do that,” he said.

    “I accept there is growing pressure for an inquiry. I have no objection to further scrutiny of the policy. If greater oversight of operations provides public reassurance then that can only be a good thing.

    “The MPA will be looking at these issues and the Met are carrying out their own review. Ultimately, however, it is up to the Government to set up a public inquiry.”

    He added: “But I urge caution if people think there is some kind of magical solution or alternative. The issue of suicide bombers is not going away and there needs to be an effective way of dealing with this threat.”

    There also remains confusion about what instructions the firearms team that carried out the shooting received from their superiors.

    Details from the post-mortem examination of the innocent Brazilian shot dead by police suggest Scotland Yard officers lied about the circumstances of the death.

    Notes presented to the pathologist examining Jean Charles de Menezes, five days after he died, wrongly indicated the electrician was fleeing police shortly before he was shot.

    The apparently misleading account could be highly damaging for Scotland Yard if, as claimed, it is proven to have been written by the Metropolitan Police. It would provide evidence the police continued to portray Mr de Menezes in a negative light and provided false information days after his innocence had been established.

    The material, contained in leaked documents from the Independent Police Complaints Commission, could provide ammunition for the family and lawyers of the dead man who have accused the Met of an attempted cover-up over the botched operation.

    The new material, obtained by ITV News, is contained in the post-mortem details of Mr de Menezes dated on 27 July. The note states the suspected bomber was followed by police into Stockwell Tube station in south London and “he vaulted over the ticket barrier, ran down the stairs on the Tube station”.

    This account has been directly contradicted by witness statements from police surveillance officers and CCTV footage that suggests the 27-year-old picked up a newspaper at Stockwell Tube station before calmly walking down the escalator.

    It was also disclosed that the dead man only had a piece of paper, a watch, a key, and £1.20 in change when he was shot dead.

    Meanwhile the head of the authority that oversees the Metropolitan Police said that a public inquiry into Scotland Yard’s “shoot-to-kill” policy looks increasingly likely.

    Len Duvall, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Authority, also said Scotland Yard was carrying out its own investigation into the policy in the aftermath of the shooting.

    His comments come as Mr de Menezes’s cousin, Alessandro Pereira, called for the resignation of Sir Ian Blair, the Met’s Commissioner, and the prosecution of those responsible.

    Brazilian investigators are to fly to London next week for talks with the IPCC to clarify conflicting reports of how he died.

    There has been growing unrest about the “shoot-to -kill” strategy contained in the Met’s Kratos policy – whereby suspected suicide attackers are shot in the head to prevent them from detonating any explosives.

    Mr Duvall, whose authority oversees the running and budget of the Met, said yesterday that there was a growing consensus among “opinion formers and politicians” that some form of public inquiry should be held into the shoot-to-kill policy. “The Met are also beginning to say, maybe it’s time to do that,” he said.

    “I accept there is growing pressure for an inquiry. I have no objection to further scrutiny of the policy. If greater oversight of operations provides public reassurance then that can only be a good thing.

    “The MPA will be looking at these issues and the Met are carrying out their own review. Ultimately, however, it is up to the Government to set up a public inquiry.”

    He added: “But I urge caution if people think there is some kind of magical solution or alternative. The issue of suicide bombers is not going away and there needs to be an effective way of dealing with this threat.”

    There also remains confusion about what instructions the firearms team that carried out the shooting received from their superiors.
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    Anonymous

    London Police Facing Pressure over Killing of Brazilian
    By Alan Cowell
    The New York Times

    Tuesday 23 August 2005

    London – Despite high-level political support, London’s police chief, Sir Ian Blair, faced sustained pressure on Monday to offer a fuller explanation of why his officers fatally shot a 27-year-old Brazilian man they apparently mistook for a suicide bomber after the second group of attacks here last month.

    The man, Jean Charles de Menezes, died on July 22, the day after a failed terrorist attack on three subway trains and a bus. Plainclothes officers shot him repeatedly in the head in front of horrified passengers aboard a subway train at the Stockwell station in south London.

    Since then, the official account of the killing and Sir Ian’s efforts to defend his officers have collided with a series of disclosures contradicting the initial police assertion that Mr. Menezes had behaved suspiciously. The police have also been accused of trying to head off an independent inquiry.

    On Monday, two Brazilian officials arrived in London to “see how the investigation works,” one of them, Márcio Pereira Pinto Garcia of the Justice Ministry, told reporters at Heathrow airport. The other official is Wagner Gonçalves of the Federal Prosecutor’s Office.

    Representatives of Mr. Menezes’ family delivered a letter to the office of Prime Minister Tony Blair demanding a full public inquiry into the killing. Scores of protesters lofted placards in support of the family.

    Alessandro Pereira, a cousin of Mr. Menezes, told reporters that his family wanted Mr. Blair “to make sure that those responsible for the murder of Jean are brought to justice.”

    “Every day we discover more and more lies,” he added. “We have heard too many. We simply demand truth and justice.”

    It is not clear whether Mr. Blair was on hand to receive the letter. Ostensibly for security reasons, the prime minister’s whereabouts – including a vacation destination – have been kept secret. His office acknowledged Monday for the first time that he had been on vacation in Barbados but declined to say when he would return to London.

    In a BBC radio interview, the dead man’s mother, Maria de Menezes, said her family wanted the officers who had killed her son to be punished. “They ended not only my son’s life, but mine as well,” she said.

    The London police have sent a letter to Mr. Menezes’ family offering the equivalent of $27,000 “by way of compensation” for his death. The offer “does not preclude you from taking legal proceedings against the police in future if you chose to do so,” the letter said. “If a claim were brought in future, then the sum offered today would be taken as being on account of any other payments.”

    Some government officials have called the letter insensitive.

    After the terror attacks in London on July 7 and July 21, Sir Ian, the police commander, won generally favorable comment for his handling of the crisis. In the last 24 hours, Mr. Blair has joined other senior government officials in expressing support for him. Sir Ian has said he will not resign.

    But comment in some newspapers on Monday began to question his behavior.

    “In clinging to his job after such a catalog of failure and warped priorities, Sir Ian mimics the politicians whose favors he has so assiduously sought,” a columnist, Simon Heffer, wrote in The Daily Mail, an antigovernment paper. An editorial in the same newspaper said, “Disturbing new questions are being raised almost daily, and the whiff of a cover-up grows stronger.”

    Other newspapers have raised questions about whether closed-circuit television tapes from the Stockwell station were erased by the police after the shooting.

    Sir Ian won support of a sort on Monday from the sister of one of the 52 victims of the July 7 attack, in which four men believed to have been the bombers also died. Diana Gorodi, whose sister, Michelle Otto, was killed aboard a subway train, said the debate over Mr. Menezes’ death had distracted attention from the killings on July 7.

    “I’m very upset about it,” she told the BBC. “The 52 people who died in the bombing have been totally forgotten. Of course I feel for the family of this young man. I feel for their anger and sorrow. It was a dreadful mistake. But this mistake has been actually publicly admitted by the police. I think crucifying the police or crucifying the chief of police is going to do nothing.”

    Since the July bombings, the British authorities have threatened a series of tough new counterterrorism measures aimed in part at firebrand Muslim clerics.

    The home secretary, Charles Clarke, who is in charge of law enforcement, said Monday that he would “this week be publishing and then acting upon new ways of dealing with preachers of intolerance and hatred and extremists who try to exploit the openness of our society to oppress others.” He did not give further details.

    While some of the government’s proposed new measures seem to limit civil rights, a survey published in The Guardian on Monday said 73 percent of respondents were prepared to relinquish some freedoms in return for enhanced security.

  15. who Avatar

    Too much wood. You missed the trees.

    It was a cruel and sophisticated hoax, designed to frighten the public and any bombers who are not up for suicide. To make it look realistic the Police told lots of conflicting stories and even faked attempts at engineering a cover-up.

    Where he is now, who knows? Witness Protection type scheme probably. Detached house with a walk-in closet, etc. But not in a wooden box.

    Jean Charles was not on the train.

    See the explanation in:

    http://who.journalspace.com

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